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Almost two years ago, I posted about the big push by Yuku staff to get users to switch browsers to Firefox so they could enjoy the best Yuku “experience”, i.e. fewer crashes and failures, because they didn’t appear to be testing on the most popular browser out there. They also wrote a Firefox extension to encourage people (though guess what – they’ve forgotten to make the latest version widely available…)

The problem is that Firefox can run a number of extensions including those that block the precious advertising they rely on so much… Oops!

Of course, the fact that it still isn’t cross-browser and cross-platform compatible even after all this time doesn’t help their cause – see this recent thread on issues with Safari on the Mac.

Two years plus is a long time in Internet Time. When Yuku was launched as being “available now” in September 2005, its unique selling point appeared to be the way ezboard, Inc. were promising to share advertising revenues with message board owners.

In the presentation, ezboard, Inc. CEO “Silent Rob” Labatt is seen showing off the message board functions and user profiles that had been in development since early 2005.

Unfortunately for them, they’ve since wasted all of 2005, 2006 and now most of 2007.

The idea to combine message boards, user profiles, blogs and media hosting in one place was a good one even if not entirely original – most things on Yuku from ezboard, Inc. are ideas that someone else has had previously – as for instance WordPress can be extended with plug-ins and third party software to incorporate discussion forums, photo albums, etc. with the added benefit of an option to self-host the whole shebang and include advertising to generate a revenue stream as I do here.

In June 2005, Yuku was being touted by Labatt as the next generation of ezboard (although the name ‘Yuku’ had not been unveiled at that stage). Inexpicably, they concentrated not on ezboard migrations or getting the message boards ready for users. No, instead ezboard concentrated on the user profiles no doubt spurred on by the growth of MySpace and indeed Facebook. But by doing so, they dropped the ball and simply became Yet Another MySpace Wannabe even down to the evident similarities in their Terms of Use. Of course, extended beta tests are nothing new, c.f. Google’s applications and services, but then they are not usually quite this long for such products.

So under the direction of Robert Labatt (and presumably with the backing of the venture capitalists led by his wife’s firm), the development of Yuku has gone on and on and it’s still in beta.

In the meantime, however, everyone else has moved on. vBulletin is a very accomplished message board application and one I use myself for three different discussion boards and it’s far better in my opinion than Yuku is. And of course there’s now vBulletin Blog to go with the board software. I’ve already mentioned WordPress and its plug-ins capability.

And now another major player has revealed online communities, blogs and social media in one place.

“Every member of your community can create a personalized profile page. Standard Profile pages include the following content:

“Personal profile information, such as a photo, interests, or location information
A list of comments submitted by that user and comment responses
A list of recommended posts, forums, and comments by that user
Forums, community blogs and a number of templates and skins.”

All sound familiar?

Well this is Movable Type Community Solution from Six Apart, the company behind Movable Type and LiveJournal. But for once they’ve copied Yuku and not revealed pricing (you have to get a custom quote)!

So as time drags on and “Silent Rob” Labatt continues being elusive, maybe going for glider flights in Hawaii or going karting with the (small number of) staff, Yuku falls further and further behind the competition whilst not charging its users for the bandwidth and (reducing…) image storage.

Wouldn’t it be nice if you could find friends on Facebook without having to give out your webmail or Contacts information (which in my case don’t list all my friends anyway…)?

You see that’s the problem with Facebook: as a way of interacting with existing friends, it doesn’t really work quite as well as MySpace or LiveJournal, I don’t think.

And for those of us who use different e-mail addresses for different purposes, people entering their personal Hotmail/Gmail/etc. log-in details and/or providing access to their contacts database in the hope of finding existing friends on Facebook won’t find me anyway. I tend to use {service/company}@{one_of_my_domain_names} e-mail addresses to register with sites like this, so the e-mail addresses I give to my friends and associates to contact me would be useless.

The other aspect to this, of course, is that there’s the whole issue of trust and privacy with your contact database. Facebook may or may not be super-legitimate but, like Yuku used to do*, they do seek your contact database to search.

*The last time I looked, when registering at Yuku they suggested giving them your web-based e-mail account log-in details to search for friends already on Yuku. Given their history, trust isn’t something I’d associate with Yuku…

2006:

322,853 e-mails received (plus the GMail ones).

284,680 Spam filtered by MailWasher Pro.

I posted earlier about the way that the main support@ezboard.com e-mail address has been bouncing merrily, despite ezboard/Yuku’s developer and an ezboard Help [sic] Forum moderator* saying they’d get it fixed.

Well there have been some changes now. That feedback link in the domain-wide footer has now been removed completely.

And Reg (Brian James, or “the Brain” as he’s being referred to in some quarters…) has been forced to admit he’s wrong – something he hates to do, what with that inflated ego of his. Having written:

“The e-mail address is valid. It should be working again shortly.”

he has now been forced to admit that:

“Yeah, I was wrong.

The e-mail infact does not work and it was my mistake. There was some miscommunication at the office.

http://www.yuku.com/help/ticket/

If you need to contact staff, use that URL.”

Don’t forget that according to the adverts they placed for developers and other staff, they work in one office together…

Of course, it might have made sense if someone had told Reg about the announcement posted over on ezboard back on 13 May 2002 where they said that the support@ezboard.com “is defunct”.

So I decided to look at how people can make contact with Yuku. Details are provided here for the meantime – ezboard does have a habit of changing things to suit themselves:
http://www.yuku.com/homepage/contact/t/Contact-Yuku.jsp

“You’ll want to contact us in different ways depending on why you want to reach us.

You may be tempted for example to use the Great Ideas e-mail to ask a question or to send a legal issue to the ads e-mail. But the fastest way for you to get satisfaction is to start at the right place to get your answer.

Now there isn’t a formal Yuku Help Community any longer, but as usual, ezboard haven’t chosen to correct the page.

So let’s have a look at those e-mail addresses. Firstly, we’ll look at who they’re registered with and who handles the MX (e-mail) records. Domain names are getting cheaper and cheaper to register with the normal cost around $10 when they’re not charged at zero as part of a hosting package. So let’s do a lookup on yukucorp.com:

Registrant:
 ezboard Inc
 564 Market Street
 705
 San Francisco, CA 94104
 US
 415 773 0400×255
 

Domain Name: YUKUCORP.COM

Administrative Contact:
 Labatt, Robert robertlabatt@ezboardcorp.com
 564 Market Street
 705
 San Francisco, CA 94104
 US
 415 773 0400×255
 

Technical Contact:
 Gakovic, Ceco ceco@ezboardcorp.com
 564 Market Street
 705
 San Francisco, CA 94104
 US
 415 773 0400×214
 

Record last updated 06-20-2005 01:48:44 PM
Record expires on 06-20-2007
Record created on 06-20-2005

Domain servers in listed order:
 NS29.1AND1.COM 217.160.224.2
 NS30.1AND1.COM 217.160.228.2

Yes, it seems that ezboard is using 1&1 for this domain. Nothing wrong with that, of course: indeed, I’ve been suggesting that people do as ezboard does and use someone else like 1&1 to host a proper message board system like I already do.

Except that this brings up an interesting question: has ezboard fallen out with Everyone.net? Surely the cost of a domain name can’t have come into it as any difference would be peanuts. Now we know from the e-mail bounces to support@ezboard.com that ezboard uses Everyone.net for that domain’s e-mail. And what would the big deal be if they had fallen out with them?

The simple answer is “Labrador Ventures“. Now as I’ve mentioned before, Sean Foote is on the Board of Directors of Everyone.net and the last time I was able to check ezboard’s web site, he was on ezboard, Inc.’s board too. He’s also a partner at Labrador Ventures where Robert Labatt’s wife is CFO.

So why would ezboard, Inc. ditch Everyone.net and go with an ‘external’ company for its e-mail? The same ‘external’ company that also handles e-mail for the domain name ezboardcorp.com.

Well at this stage it would be pure conjecture if I were to suggest that maybe ezboard, Inc. has outstayed its welcome in the Labrador Ventures camp, although that might be understandable given the cash burn that is Yuku – remember that Yuku has been in development since early 2005 at least and has yet to generate any income, apparently.

Banned for 'privacy violation'Or maybe ezboard, Inc. are worried about privacy concerns – which would be rich given their continuing libel about me. Yes, ezboard continue to publish untruths about me, despite my having asked them repeatedly for any shred of evidence to justify their assertions since June 2005 when they first libelled me.

*You can’t call the ezboard Help [sic] Forum moderators that when they’re dealing with Yuku, since the closure of the Yuku help [sic] forums.

A number of so-called Web 2.0 sites use what are known as “tags” to allow mainly collaborative sites to classify or organise articles, although I prefer to have a ‘proper’ search mechanism in place and hardly every use tags on my own blogs, given they are generally categorised or classified into major subjects and have a search function anyway.

Nonetheless, my Movable Type blog and LiveJournal have this facility with words or phrases being allowable as tags.

Per Movable Type:

“Tagging is a popular method of classifying and organizing entries. Tags are simple, comma separated words or phrases that you attach to an item which describe particular facets of it. Tags provide extra metadata that can be used later to find a particular entry or other entries like it within the system. Tags are most effective when they are very specific. This specificity is gained through the use of tag combinations, which essentially form “tag intersections.” Tags can optionally be displayed on the published weblog where readers can click on them to find other entries that are similarly tagged.”

Per LiveJournal:

“Tags are words and short phrases used to organise your journal entries.”

So I can see how a decent tagging system using phrases might be useful. Guess what? Yes, Yuku has tags! Kudos to them ;)

Except there’s a catch. Didn’t you know there would be? Here’s an extract from the Yuku tags FAQ by Michelle:

“It is up to users to create meaningful tags though.”

I couldn’t agree more.

So, if a user was interested in the US TV Show “American Idol“, for instance, and wanted to tag their post accordingly, then that’s the tag they’d use, right?

Wrong! Michelle has looked at the Yuku implementation before stating categorically that:

“Tags are meant to be single word entities.”

Michelle, you missed the bit where you should have said:

Our implementation only allows single word entities, unlike all the other sites using words or phrases.”

So you can use the terms ‘American’ and ‘Idol’ which won’t really aid a visitor or you can use a specially made up word of ‘AmericanIdol’. Let’s hope the users are seasoned Yuku veterans, eh?

Maybe Reg was too busy playing Wikipedia Edit Tag to code it properly…

I’ve been doing some editing over on Wikipedia since February this year. I started doing some edits to the existing ezboard entry firstly to remove the unsubstantiated bits and bobs and then to remove the advertising spin being applied to it by various ezboard staff and one user in particular calling himself “Regimemachine“.

I then realised that Yuku didn’t have its own entry, so I started one off. So conscious was I that it had to be unbiased and verifiable, that once I’d posted the original version another user wrote:

“Is this Spam? Looks like spam.”

But that was not to be the case, with the usual suspects trying to turn it into some form of advertisement for Yuku complete with unsubstantiated claims for user numbers and the like.

Now, bear in mind that Wikipedia states:

“Wikipedia is not an advertising service. Promotional articles about yourself, your friends, your company or products; or articles written as part of a marketing or promotional campaign, may be deleted in accordance with our deletion policies. For more information, see Wikipedia:Spam.”

and

“Encyclopedic content must be verifiable.”

you’d think that ezboard, Inc. wouldn’t have anything to complain about. But this is ezboard, so their employee writes amongst other things:

“See the discussion page. Every other software lists features. We have the right to do the same.) “

Er, no, you don’t, actually. If ezboard felt that other software entries were biased or advertising, they should dispute those articles’ contents. But no, instead of that, they decide to complain about me and claim I’m being biased.

“Regimemachine” - or “Reg” as I’ll call him from now on – seems upset that I’ve been using his made-up surname ’James’ as I’d wrongly assumed that the name he uses on Yuku and elsewhere (“Brian James”) might be his real name, but it’s not. Maybe he has something to hide?

He’s then used the mighty power of the Internet (or Google…) to try to dig a little deeper about me and then proudly spouts some more inaccurate information he’s managed to come up with. Ah well.

I am clearly – in his eyes at least – a nasty piece of work, unlike himself. After all, he’s a thoroughly nice chap, I’m sure. And the following hyperlinks are clearly misleading and inaccurate:

http://www.last.fm/user/regimemachine/ - which shows his “made-up” name of Brian James and a domain name he uses…

http://www.regimemachine.com/ – a domain name that’s registered so as to hide the identity of the registrant (much like http://www.ezboardsucks.com). Not much to see there … now. Instead, try seeing what used to be there.

http://www.google.com/search?q=+site:www.regimemachine.com - take a look at Google’s cached copies of some of the content that was there. Oh dear! That must all be mistake, surely? Well it appears he too is on Technorati.

http://technorati.com/profile/regimemachine - oh dear, oh dear! Surely that “regimemachine” can’t be our Reg? OK, so he too calls himself Brian James, but that must be coincedental? He lays claim to three blogs there: regimemachine.com, fuckthisporn.com and stopliving.com. I wouldn’t click through to stopliving.com if I were you unless you want to see some somewhat dodgy photographs…

Mind you, given the extent to which ezboard read this blog and act to try to hide what I mention here, I doubt it’ll be long before those sites and links either disappear or have the content replaced with fluffy kittens.

Yes, ezboard has been caught out blaming its woes on “Smalltalk” from Cincom again.

Back in March 2006, Cincom’s James Robertson posted a blog entry entitled “Correcting a Misconception” following which Robert Labatt seemed to have back-tracked somewhat on blaming Smalltalk and instead blaming “…[ezboard's] bad software design that happens to use Smalltalk…”.

So things were smoothed over … until ezboard went and did it again, accusing Smalltalk of being “obsolete”. They went further:

“The current program has many bugs that can’t be fixed because each time the developers try to fix them, it causes something else to break. That seems to be the nature of Smalltalk.”

So it’s not a developer issue, it’s a platform issue.

Cincom’s James Robertson has posted a response here which makes interesting reading:

“Instead, they wrote their own server from scratch. They didn’t use a database on the back end, instead serializing objects to disk. Those two early decisions came back to haunt them in a big way – we actually spoke to them about dealing with them inside Smalltalk…

“…they decided to go with a full rewrite in something else, and a general blasting of our product as a way of making excuses. There’s no reason for them to do that.” [emphasis added]

Yes there is: it’s an attempt to deflect criticism away from ezboard to someone else, a not uncommon response.

And this will almost certainly be true:

“Just look at what they say instead: fixing bugs creates other ones. That has nothing to do with Smalltalk (or any other language, for that matter) – it has to do with whatever process they use to develop code. If that’s happening to them now, I guarantee that it will happen to them in the future, without regard to what development/deployment platform they end up using.”

I wonder if ezboard’s development failings – and indeed, past security issues – continue to plague them now? Certainly there are more bugs in Yuku than an entomologist’s study cases. And as for security, well, even ezboard’s CEO Blog, written using WordPress, is two builds out of date, with all the security issues that entails…

Dear Rob,

It’s been over a month since you (or someone from your local area purporting to be you) commented here in my WordPress Blog suggesting you’d like to give me a better understanding of what you’re trying to achieve with Yuku. I invited you to comment on any of the posts I make here and initiate a conversation.

Whether or not that comment was from you, I know that you and/or your colleagues at ezboard/Yuku regularly read this, the other version I publish on my Movable Type Blog, my LiveJournal and indeed the posts I make over on an Invision Power Board. Let’s not forget that in your situations vacant adverts, you claim to have a flat management style and everyone works with you. Given the small numbers of staff employed at your San Francisco offices, I can readily believe that to be the case.

So it seems strange that you’ve been so backward in coming forward, as they say, to address the points I raise in my blogs.

I’ve written about the continuing delays in getting Yuku ready for general public use, the strange set of access log entries that appear to be an authentication hack, adverts on Gold Trial boards, issues with your “near flawless” user migrations, the apparent high costs of running a Gold Community, the apparent lack of customer support on Yuku and some strange figures for the costs of Gold status on certain, key ezboards as well as a number of other issues.

None of these have produced any replies or explanations to help me understand the ezboard position.

So I thought I’d make a list of some of the points I’d really like to understand.

1. Advertising Revenue Sharing: when, how and how much?

One of the key elements – probably the key element – of your presentation at DEMOfall in September 2005 was your plan to share advertising revenues with the Yuku community leaders with a sum of $3,000 to $5,000 being mentioned. Now, that must surely be Yuku’s USP and should bring the users in en masse, I’d have thought. So why do you appear to have quietly dropped this most significant feature? If it’s still a live goal, please tell us when it will be implemented and how the revenues will be shared.

2. Free Gold ezboards: where did the money go and how many major boards are being effectively funded by the other boards?

I mentioned some significant sums being withdrawn by anonymous individuals or entities from the main ezboards, as well as their apparently having enjoyed free Gold status since July 2005, shortly after the May/June 2005 data loss and shortly after you yourself wrote:

“The attack does not change our long-standing policy of not providing refunds. This was agreed to by every user each time a service order was placed or payment made.”

So where did the sums I mention in this post go and how many major ezboard communities are effectively operating for free?

3. How much will a Gold Yuku cost?

Yes, I know you’ve said that it should be much like ezboard’s charges, but as Yuku is based on an entirely different architecture, how exactly will it be priced? And bearing in mind what your colleague, Sean Foote, wrote, why shouldn’t Yuku’s charges be significantly less than the charges fixed a long while ago for ezboard?

4. How much will YukuSupporter be?

This question must surely be easier to answer as ezSupporter itself was priced on a nominal basis anyway.

5. When will people be able to backup their boards?

Bearing in mind you wrote this on 23 June 2005:

“the new community engine has solved many of the issues that you have experienced on ezboard in the last year. It is faster, more reliable, offers automated back-up to your home computer, fast restorals”

Why isn’t this feature available on either ezboard or Yuku? One of your staff members has said it will be available “eventually”. And yet you promised it last year, both in your post-data lost messages and of course at DEMOfall.

6. Does ezboard backup its boards properly?

This was, of course, our major complaint last year when it became clear that no matter what you wrote, ezboard had not backed up our message boards safely or securely. If they had been, no hacker would have been able to access them remotely as you claimed.

After all, ezboard is now charged as a premium service when compared with other offerings in the marketplace. Shouldn’t we expect the features we get elsewhere?

7. When will Yuku, with all the promised features, actually launch?

I know you’re smarting from the way I’ve been ridiculing your inability to meet any deadlines or timescales, but you must have a plan for when you need or will be able to launch Yuku properly with all the features your original blog entry promised.

8. Will it be as slow still?

You’ve been promising improvements to the time taken to load pages on Yuku for months and months now and yet it’s still like treacle in winter. Is that as good as it gets? If not, when will you be revealing the new, quick Yuku?

9. How soon after Yuku is launched will ezboard be closed down?

Bearing in mind your advertisement for someone to support ezboard on a contract basis was only until the end of 2006, how soon after you launch Yuku properly will you close down ezboard? As you should be well aware from posts on ezboard and Yuku, there are many boards that don’t want to leave the old platform behind. What are your plans for dealing with those boards?

10. Does ezboard intend to employ sufficient help staff for its customer base and does it intend to have them actually help their customers?

We’ve read the new policy for the Yuku Help Forums and yet people haven’t seen the promised support there. Let’s not forget this is only a small subset of your customer base and there are – please correct me if I’m wrong – no ezboards migrated over yet.

Your staff have also said that the full complement of Yuku support staff hasn’t been put in place yet, so when will there be sufficient customer support people in position?

11. Why is ezboard so expensive?

This in part is tied up with earlier questions, but the main elements are covered in my post here. Why is ezboard so, so expensive compared with other hosting arrangements?

12. Does Yuku see itself as a successor or even a challenger to MySpace?

I’ve mentioned the emphasis that’s being put on profile pages on Yuku as it seems to be postioning itself as a MySpace clone. Why is that emphasis there on profiles rather than community? It’s clear from the order you’ve carried out development that profiles are your main priority. Is it the $580M paid by Murdoch?

13. Why did someone from an IP address associated with ezboard apparently attempt an authentication hack using usernames and passwords only used on ezboard?

My post on this subject is here. It’s no secret that ezboard has access to both usernames and (unlike a vBulletin installation, for instance) passwords for all its users and the ezMods have regularly signed in with your customers’ details to troubleshoot issues. The details are very worrying and frankly disappointing. What is ezboard, Inc.’s position on this? 

14. Given that ezboard’s job ads. state that everyone works with the you, did you sanction the authentication hack as you must have known about it, surely?

The question here is in the heading above. If you were unaware of what took place, what have you done since in terms of your staff and the authentication hack? Or was this in no way connected with ezboard, Inc.?

15. What’s the state of play with the FBI investigations into the claimed hack?

You wrote at the time of the May/June 2005 data loss that the FBI were involved. Given the clear and precise information the hacker must have had, surely any perpetrator must have been apprehended by now? If not, why not?

—oooOOOooo—

You’ve read all these points before – especially the details of the apparent authentication hack that seems to be bookmarked by you and your staff – so you should be able to comment here fairly quickly, I’d have thought.

I’ll look forward to your point-by-point reply.

Yours sincerely,

Richard

I’m intrigued. An “Important Announcement” has appeared at the top of ezboard communities that the board administrators can choose to show as they see fit. It reads:

“Important ezAnnouncement: Meet your ezboard friends on Yuku and check out their profiles. You’ll be amazed with what you can do with the new Yuku profiles. Click here to get your ezboard account into Yuku now!”

Now unless you’ve been a regular visitor to the ezboard Help [sic] Forums or your community administrator has been keeping you up to date with developments with Yuku originally leaked out by ezboard, you’d probably be wondering what on earth this is all about.

If you go to ezboard’s “Important Announcements” forum, you won’t see any announcement as to what Yuku is. Only if you go to your Control Center will you see an image inviting you to migrate to Yuku. Or perhaps, you’d need to know about the ezboard CEO’s WordPress Blog. That’s not a separate post in “Important Announcements”, by the way.

So let’s look at this announcement again. No clue as to what Yuku is or that ezboards will all be closed down having been forced to migrate to Yuku. No, it’s all about user profiles.

If you take a look at Robert Labatt’s Yuku profile page you’ll see it’s a MySpace clone: take a look at Tom Anderson’s MySpace profile. Tom Anderson is MySpace’s co-founder.

Note that Yuku has copied MySpace in that new registrants to MySpace have Tom added to their friends and as I reported here, Yuku does the same with Labatt and up to nine others. Of course, that’s where the comparison ends. Whilst Tom has, at the time of writing, 92,950,935 friends, Rob can only muster 2,282…

So it’s clear the direction Yuku is headed. After seeing how well MySpace has done since it started in 2003, ezboard wants a piece of that action by trying to reinvent itself as a MySpace clone. Three years too late…

Maybe that’s why the Yuku development emphasis was all about profile pages first, sub-domains next and now finally on message boards?

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